Another belter! But yes, like the National Geographic this is another go woke go broke situation and I’ve long ago voted with feet and wallet for other products. Sad to see formerly brilliant products being gutted from the inside by inbeciles.
Excellent LSO! You’re on fire today! 🔥 I can’t hate the BBC enough these days. They just can’t seem to help themselves can they? Unable to read the room. Terminal stupidity.
I defunded them 6 years ago and never looked back.
But here’s the thing: I occasionally have a quick scan of the channels to see what’s on of any given evening…. and there’s nothing (nothing) that piques my interest. I just know that any new ‘drama’ or ‘comedy’ (god forbid) will be infused with the hipster ‘current thing’ ideology so beloved to them. I can’t even watch a nature documentary now without being lectured at what a despicable human being I am for destroying the planet. (“Who, me?!”). So, it’s straight back to Prime, YouTube or my beloved pre-2020 movie collection.
Personally I think it's too late for the BBC. They are too deeply entrenched in their views, infested with the woke mind virus. And appointing another carbon copy DG isn't going to change a single thing. We still fork out for it to my eternal shame, as petrol head eldest has just discovered Top Gear on iplayer 😆 and hubs is a rugby league and snooker fan. Sigh.
I believe they should be forced to adopt the subscription model. I know that various commentators always say yes but it's important to have an impartial state broadcaster - point me to a time when we last had just that? The BBC has been allowed to indoctrinate, punish and hector the population at our own expense for far too bloody long. Oh and have a look at who else funds them. Far too many vested interests (Bill "epstein files" Gates for one). Not to mention all the paedos. I mean, they have a statue created by a paedo outside broadcasting House and recently spent thousands of pounds having it renovated! Says it all really....
Ha ha. As I say elsewhere I actually like that statue! I wouldn’t want it pulled down. Mainly because, apart from liking it , such a move would be presented as ‘pedo problem
Solved!’
I think a subscription model. Perhaps fazed in over five years is the way
It certainly seems to have a knack for attracting them. Even the statue outside Broadcasting House is by one, Eric Gill. Though I do like the statue and would rather they didn’t pull it down, like many have demanded……
Foucault and Derrida were both paedos and inspire much of the worldview of those at the BBC etc. In my view, post-modern thought is about nothing more than justifying being a nonce. In very impenetrable language.
Anybody catch the NDP convention here in Canadistan? The wokeness was beyond parody. LSO would have fun with it. Makes your Labor party look like Nixon Republicans. Check it out.
One would not believe people like that existed but for YouTube. So many really, really, and I mean REALLY, stupid people congregated together in one hall. When I was (much) younger I would proudly mention my Canadian links. Now I am thankful my grandfather emigrated (though this country no longer has anything to be proud about).
Some of the commentary on other videos was quite good. These folks want to run the country. They make Justin Trudeau look like Harry Truman. They can't get as far as deciding whether the black lesbian speaks before the indigenous trannie. Thing is that, like the Dems in the US, these people are beyond reform. No really. They are so trapped by their ideology that they'd rather go extinct than admit that saying: "Form a straight line" isn't heteronormative.
It does reassure me when I see the decision making of the BBC that it is less likely to be malice (Hanlon's razor) involved and more likely to be gross incompetence and zero self awareness.
I mean.....read the room guys. You're on a downward trajectory with reducing numbers of listeners and watchers, the great respect you once had is rapidly diminishing. What do you go and do? Double down by appointing another one of 'your people'.
Exactly David. I think the whole media industry, and especially Hollywood and gaming (I’m a video game fan since the 80s) needs to wake up to the reason why their numbers are tanking. It’s not because people don’t want to watch/play stuff!
I think I'm going to paper my wall with all the 'enforcement' letters they've sent me. An investigation has been opened, they say. Oh no, whatever am I to do?
I'm wondering how much of the licence fee they don't get from me they've already spent? 🤔
It will take a while to change the BBC and I hope they do because it was once worth the fee. Those days are long gone, sadly.
The enshittification of everything continues apace because the group of people running the show are angelic beings of such purity and goodness, despite their fondness for their extracurricular youth projects.
That's how they see themselves. Us? Well, we're just the slavering hordes of far rightiness, only one step up the evolutionary chain from amoeba.
And so they end up making programmes for themselves. The rest of us don't really want to be lectured to about the beauty of woman cock and how Britain was awful and can only now be saved from its disgraceful past (ironically they're also trying to tell us immigrants were super important to our history which kind of makes them equally culpable) by importing the quality folk of Afghanistan and similar places.
And who wants to pay to be scolded and lectured to by these tits?
The worst thing about the BBC is that it has spread the woke mind virus to the other broadcasters. While some BBC news is now on pain of death referring to men who identify as women, ITV is still in full Stonewall mode, and Channel 4 seems to be run by some campus sit-in polycule.
Did you catch the first Channel 5 episode of The Teacher? Like Unforgotten, it uses cancel culture as a background, initially giving the lead sensible kick back against nonsense, but by the end of the episode she’s telling the poor, misunderstood enby to kill herself. No doubt it will go even further downhill from there, till the lead is apologising and getting in touch with her other own 49 gender identities.
The BBC understand a subscription approach will kill them off in less than a decade. I am for just shutting it down; second place is subscription. I am very against taxes to fund it. I suspect this is what they will opt for if they can.
The BBC is there to sell the ideas of the ruling class and to make objectors seem like extremists. Its real problem is of course not funding, but demographics. As you note its audience is getting older and less relevant. More importantly, it is really only feeding the laptop class now, which retards their ability to understand reality. For example, mass immigration is an existential threat to everyone. Those who believe only racists and fascists oppose it, the view perpetuated by the BBC, are much less prepared for what is coming than others who seek information elsewhere. This is a well understood problem seen in most dying regimes; they peddle lies because they cannot handle reality so they lose the ability to course correct.
Yes. I feel a lot of it is simply because the incentives which govern their decisions are different from the incentives which drive the rest of us. Their careers often depend on embracing this stuff.
In the public sector there is money and power to be gained by importing illegal immigrants etc. Most people don’t understand this at all.
For me it’s summed up by the look of surprise and incredulity I get when I say to a regular person that lots and lots of people are getting very rich off the NHS and so have no reason to make it more efficient/provide better outcomes for the patient. They just think of it as a big lump of ‘good’.
Yes the incentives account for a lot. I think it drove most of the Covid response rather than conspiracies.
There are massive incentives for DEI initiatives most misunderstand. They think it is ensuring people are not racist to West Indians already here, for instance. It is niceness. They don't realise it means going overseas to hire people just to meet diversity targets. In some jurisdictions they can be punished if they do not actively seek out minorities and women. An absurd situation the media make sure to never convey to people. That is how propaganda works.
The BBC play a role in all this too, ensuring diversity is seen as being nice and not undermining social structures. There are many caught up in this game.
Agreed Spiff. Though I’m not sure it’s exactly that they can’t handle reality. These people are not thick. At least not thick in that way. I think they just assume, like they always do, that reality won’t affect them.
Perhaps a little of both. I mix with these types. They have a disdain for normal concerns. Pushback against immigration is written off as racism, concern about climate policy is lack of education etc. Many are insecure, they search hard to feel superior. That's why they cling to the messages of the BBC.
This section of society is known to have drifted far from normality so struggle to course correct. Net zero, for instance, is disastrous, yet it finds majority support in the non-governing elite class. Their public dismissal of the rape gangs is another example.
Retardis :) Brilliant. Indeed, LSO. If one is looking for an open-and-closed case for the BBC having a subscription model forced on it, you have referenced Exhibit A : Naga Munchetty. Ber..limey what an irritating and entitled individual.
They will fight subscription tooth and nail for the simple reason that once they have to fight for their funding like a commercial channel, the management will dispense immediately with at least 50% of the pampered and untalented payroll!
I think you’re right. Except their argument will be, if we go to a subscription model we’ll have to axe Last Night Of The Proms. Strictly. And all our nature documentaries.
They always pretend it’s their most revered and popular shows which are in jeopardy!
Same to you and yours LSO. Re Strictly: my missus is a devotee and I have a sneaking suspicion that the new “host” will be the transvestite they had on as a “gurl” last season. They seemed to be giving him/her a lot of extra coverage in the fills and he/she is a drag comic or something. I think that might finally turn her off the wokerie fest and I can finally ditch the subscription as I don’t watch anything. Here’s hoping !
Good luck with that James. I’ve never liked drag. The same people who would be aghast if a white guy blacked up and wore a grass skirt applauded like seals when the caricature is a woman.
I mean, late night in an all adult club is one thing…
I have to quibble with your closing comment, as most content on YouTube nowadays is far from honest. Every prank, slip, trip, and fall nowadays is either staged, or AI.
Yes Writing. And I read that over 80% of those cats falling off shelves are puppets. It was more fun when my kids were tiny, and all I ever seemed to watch was Cbeebies. I miss it……
I think that the biggest mistake about the new man is that, like Davie, he isn't a journalist, and so he will be wrong footed just like his predecessor.
The Capture is fascinating stuff, with the establishment and others using AI to fake real time camera footage, on phones as well as CCTV. Series 2 was spoiled by making the villain an utterly unbelievable "far right" bloke in a shed who in reality would have struggled to boil a kettle. But it is quite gripping, and if you ignore the wokery, does raise some interesting questions. I haven't seen all of Series 3 as it isn't on iPlayer yet.
So I do have a TV licence, because the occasional thing BBC produces is worth watching, and I watch other terrestrial channels too.
Hi Jeremy. Yes. I heard that it started off strong. They really want to make the ‘far right’ a thing don’t they? Same with Slow Horses. The villain in that was also a ‘far-right’ loon, in hock with some baddies in the security services as I recall.
I hardly watch any TV now, but almost everything I do watch is on the BBC (plus a couple of decent dramas on Netflix and Apple TV). It is far better than any other channel.
I do agree that the licence fee has passed its time though and we need a better funding model. And The Capture is horrible.
I’m not sure where we disagree tbh Ragged. You don’t watch much TV. And you are selective about what you watch, only choosing a few BBC shows, which you like.
I never said the BBC was completely devoid of merit. I watched The English with Emily Blunt on the BBC a while ago. It was excellent.
We agree about the licence fee (just a tax). And we agree that (from what I’ve seen) The Capture isn’t very appealing.
I watch mainly YouTube these days. And have started watching classic TV like the Wire again on Blu Ray. I’ve also got a few 4Ks which are expensive but fun.
So I think we’re on the same page. That BBC output is ‘better’ than Netflix is purely subjective. But I won’t argue with that at all.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing. In fact, necessary to check our thinking. However, any discussion of the merits of the BBC always confirms me in my thinking and my decision years ago never to give them a penny.
From someone who does not pay the licence fee and hasn't watched or listened to any BBC since around 2018. If I ruled the world, I would need more than a sniper rifle to deal with the hateful people that inhabit Broadcasting House and Downing Street. More like a few thousand drones of the sort the Iranians have perfected. I doubt that our army has any.
In case you were right to doubt that our defence forces have drones, I checked another option with Grok, but sadly: “No, even if safety and legal limitations were entirely disregarded, an Aster 30 fired from a Type 45 destroyer in Portsmouth Harbour would still be highly unlikely to successfully hit New Broadcasting House.”
Another belter! But yes, like the National Geographic this is another go woke go broke situation and I’ve long ago voted with feet and wallet for other products. Sad to see formerly brilliant products being gutted from the inside by inbeciles.
Excellent LSO! You’re on fire today! 🔥 I can’t hate the BBC enough these days. They just can’t seem to help themselves can they? Unable to read the room. Terminal stupidity.
I defunded them 6 years ago and never looked back.
But here’s the thing: I occasionally have a quick scan of the channels to see what’s on of any given evening…. and there’s nothing (nothing) that piques my interest. I just know that any new ‘drama’ or ‘comedy’ (god forbid) will be infused with the hipster ‘current thing’ ideology so beloved to them. I can’t even watch a nature documentary now without being lectured at what a despicable human being I am for destroying the planet. (“Who, me?!”). So, it’s straight back to Prime, YouTube or my beloved pre-2020 movie collection.
Keep up the good work Sir!
Thank you Ady.
Yes. Attenborough adding lectures to his otherwise excellent nature documentaries was a line in the sand for me.
Personally I think it's too late for the BBC. They are too deeply entrenched in their views, infested with the woke mind virus. And appointing another carbon copy DG isn't going to change a single thing. We still fork out for it to my eternal shame, as petrol head eldest has just discovered Top Gear on iplayer 😆 and hubs is a rugby league and snooker fan. Sigh.
I believe they should be forced to adopt the subscription model. I know that various commentators always say yes but it's important to have an impartial state broadcaster - point me to a time when we last had just that? The BBC has been allowed to indoctrinate, punish and hector the population at our own expense for far too bloody long. Oh and have a look at who else funds them. Far too many vested interests (Bill "epstein files" Gates for one). Not to mention all the paedos. I mean, they have a statue created by a paedo outside broadcasting House and recently spent thousands of pounds having it renovated! Says it all really....
Ha ha. As I say elsewhere I actually like that statue! I wouldn’t want it pulled down. Mainly because, apart from liking it , such a move would be presented as ‘pedo problem
Solved!’
I think a subscription model. Perhaps fazed in over five years is the way
to go. 👍
I take your point about the statue, I just think the fact they renovated it using taxpayers money shows how much of a nest of paedos it still is....
🤣🤣 keep kicking Toffeepud!!
Fully intend to 🤣
You faze me, LSO!
A belter, Mr LSO. The only thing you missed in the opening rant was: half a century of covering up kiddie fiddling by nonce presenters.
Thanks Dan! I was going to add a laughing emoji in reply, then realised it would be grossly inappropriate. 🫣
And now Scott Mills. How many more?
It certainly seems to have a knack for attracting them. Even the statue outside Broadcasting House is by one, Eric Gill. Though I do like the statue and would rather they didn’t pull it down, like many have demanded……
Foucault and Derrida were both paedos and inspire much of the worldview of those at the BBC etc. In my view, post-modern thought is about nothing more than justifying being a nonce. In very impenetrable language.
Anybody catch the NDP convention here in Canadistan? The wokeness was beyond parody. LSO would have fun with it. Makes your Labor party look like Nixon Republicans. Check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDVRiLgtKcY
One would not believe people like that existed but for YouTube. So many really, really, and I mean REALLY, stupid people congregated together in one hall. When I was (much) younger I would proudly mention my Canadian links. Now I am thankful my grandfather emigrated (though this country no longer has anything to be proud about).
Some of the commentary on other videos was quite good. These folks want to run the country. They make Justin Trudeau look like Harry Truman. They can't get as far as deciding whether the black lesbian speaks before the indigenous trannie. Thing is that, like the Dems in the US, these people are beyond reform. No really. They are so trapped by their ideology that they'd rather go extinct than admit that saying: "Form a straight line" isn't heteronormative.
Just watched the first 30 seconds. Too good to watch right now. I’ll make some time later to enjoy it properly. Thanks!
Love the paragraph about the Time Lords!
It does reassure me when I see the decision making of the BBC that it is less likely to be malice (Hanlon's razor) involved and more likely to be gross incompetence and zero self awareness.
I mean.....read the room guys. You're on a downward trajectory with reducing numbers of listeners and watchers, the great respect you once had is rapidly diminishing. What do you go and do? Double down by appointing another one of 'your people'.
Exactly David. I think the whole media industry, and especially Hollywood and gaming (I’m a video game fan since the 80s) needs to wake up to the reason why their numbers are tanking. It’s not because people don’t want to watch/play stuff!
The Guardian is the 20th best-selling daily newspaper in the UK, out of 20 yet it is the No.1 among BBC staff. Says it all.
Shut it down.
I think I'm going to paper my wall with all the 'enforcement' letters they've sent me. An investigation has been opened, they say. Oh no, whatever am I to do?
I'm wondering how much of the licence fee they don't get from me they've already spent? 🤔
It will take a while to change the BBC and I hope they do because it was once worth the fee. Those days are long gone, sadly.
The enshittification of everything continues apace because the group of people running the show are angelic beings of such purity and goodness, despite their fondness for their extracurricular youth projects.
That's how they see themselves. Us? Well, we're just the slavering hordes of far rightiness, only one step up the evolutionary chain from amoeba.
And so they end up making programmes for themselves. The rest of us don't really want to be lectured to about the beauty of woman cock and how Britain was awful and can only now be saved from its disgraceful past (ironically they're also trying to tell us immigrants were super important to our history which kind of makes them equally culpable) by importing the quality folk of Afghanistan and similar places.
And who wants to pay to be scolded and lectured to by these tits?
Thanks Rudolph! A delight from beginning to end.
The worst thing about the BBC is that it has spread the woke mind virus to the other broadcasters. While some BBC news is now on pain of death referring to men who identify as women, ITV is still in full Stonewall mode, and Channel 4 seems to be run by some campus sit-in polycule.
Did you catch the first Channel 5 episode of The Teacher? Like Unforgotten, it uses cancel culture as a background, initially giving the lead sensible kick back against nonsense, but by the end of the episode she’s telling the poor, misunderstood enby to kill herself. No doubt it will go even further downhill from there, till the lead is apologising and getting in touch with her other own 49 gender identities.
Hi Jim.
All these news providers have always been a bit left leaning and liberal, it’s never bothered me.
But it has gone bonkers over the last twenty years.
I know about a lot of this first hand. But that need not trouble us here.
My point is that this not just a ‘right wing talking point’.
Anyway. I’ve learned something new today.
Channel 5 is still a thing. Who knew? 😂
The BBC understand a subscription approach will kill them off in less than a decade. I am for just shutting it down; second place is subscription. I am very against taxes to fund it. I suspect this is what they will opt for if they can.
The BBC is there to sell the ideas of the ruling class and to make objectors seem like extremists. Its real problem is of course not funding, but demographics. As you note its audience is getting older and less relevant. More importantly, it is really only feeding the laptop class now, which retards their ability to understand reality. For example, mass immigration is an existential threat to everyone. Those who believe only racists and fascists oppose it, the view perpetuated by the BBC, are much less prepared for what is coming than others who seek information elsewhere. This is a well understood problem seen in most dying regimes; they peddle lies because they cannot handle reality so they lose the ability to course correct.
The BBC is dying. I doubt anyone can save it now.
Yes. I feel a lot of it is simply because the incentives which govern their decisions are different from the incentives which drive the rest of us. Their careers often depend on embracing this stuff.
In the public sector there is money and power to be gained by importing illegal immigrants etc. Most people don’t understand this at all.
For me it’s summed up by the look of surprise and incredulity I get when I say to a regular person that lots and lots of people are getting very rich off the NHS and so have no reason to make it more efficient/provide better outcomes for the patient. They just think of it as a big lump of ‘good’.
As you say, the BBC helps foster this attitude.
Yes the incentives account for a lot. I think it drove most of the Covid response rather than conspiracies.
There are massive incentives for DEI initiatives most misunderstand. They think it is ensuring people are not racist to West Indians already here, for instance. It is niceness. They don't realise it means going overseas to hire people just to meet diversity targets. In some jurisdictions they can be punished if they do not actively seek out minorities and women. An absurd situation the media make sure to never convey to people. That is how propaganda works.
The BBC play a role in all this too, ensuring diversity is seen as being nice and not undermining social structures. There are many caught up in this game.
Agreed Spiff. Though I’m not sure it’s exactly that they can’t handle reality. These people are not thick. At least not thick in that way. I think they just assume, like they always do, that reality won’t affect them.
Perhaps a little of both. I mix with these types. They have a disdain for normal concerns. Pushback against immigration is written off as racism, concern about climate policy is lack of education etc. Many are insecure, they search hard to feel superior. That's why they cling to the messages of the BBC.
This section of society is known to have drifted far from normality so struggle to course correct. Net zero, for instance, is disastrous, yet it finds majority support in the non-governing elite class. Their public dismissal of the rape gangs is another example.
It won't end well.
Retardis :) Brilliant. Indeed, LSO. If one is looking for an open-and-closed case for the BBC having a subscription model forced on it, you have referenced Exhibit A : Naga Munchetty. Ber..limey what an irritating and entitled individual.
They will fight subscription tooth and nail for the simple reason that once they have to fight for their funding like a commercial channel, the management will dispense immediately with at least 50% of the pampered and untalented payroll!
Thanks James
I think you’re right. Except their argument will be, if we go to a subscription model we’ll have to axe Last Night Of The Proms. Strictly. And all our nature documentaries.
They always pretend it’s their most revered and popular shows which are in jeopardy!
All the best and Happy Easter to you.
Same to you and yours LSO. Re Strictly: my missus is a devotee and I have a sneaking suspicion that the new “host” will be the transvestite they had on as a “gurl” last season. They seemed to be giving him/her a lot of extra coverage in the fills and he/she is a drag comic or something. I think that might finally turn her off the wokerie fest and I can finally ditch the subscription as I don’t watch anything. Here’s hoping !
Good luck with that James. I’ve never liked drag. The same people who would be aghast if a white guy blacked up and wore a grass skirt applauded like seals when the caricature is a woman.
I mean, late night in an all adult club is one thing…
I have to quibble with your closing comment, as most content on YouTube nowadays is far from honest. Every prank, slip, trip, and fall nowadays is either staged, or AI.
Yes Writing. And I read that over 80% of those cats falling off shelves are puppets. It was more fun when my kids were tiny, and all I ever seemed to watch was Cbeebies. I miss it……
I think that the biggest mistake about the new man is that, like Davie, he isn't a journalist, and so he will be wrong footed just like his predecessor.
The Capture is fascinating stuff, with the establishment and others using AI to fake real time camera footage, on phones as well as CCTV. Series 2 was spoiled by making the villain an utterly unbelievable "far right" bloke in a shed who in reality would have struggled to boil a kettle. But it is quite gripping, and if you ignore the wokery, does raise some interesting questions. I haven't seen all of Series 3 as it isn't on iPlayer yet.
So I do have a TV licence, because the occasional thing BBC produces is worth watching, and I watch other terrestrial channels too.
Hi Jeremy. Yes. I heard that it started off strong. They really want to make the ‘far right’ a thing don’t they? Same with Slow Horses. The villain in that was also a ‘far-right’ loon, in hock with some baddies in the security services as I recall.
You won't be surprised to hear that I disagree.
I hardly watch any TV now, but almost everything I do watch is on the BBC (plus a couple of decent dramas on Netflix and Apple TV). It is far better than any other channel.
I do agree that the licence fee has passed its time though and we need a better funding model. And The Capture is horrible.
I’m not sure where we disagree tbh Ragged. You don’t watch much TV. And you are selective about what you watch, only choosing a few BBC shows, which you like.
I never said the BBC was completely devoid of merit. I watched The English with Emily Blunt on the BBC a while ago. It was excellent.
We agree about the licence fee (just a tax). And we agree that (from what I’ve seen) The Capture isn’t very appealing.
I watch mainly YouTube these days. And have started watching classic TV like the Wire again on Blu Ray. I’ve also got a few 4Ks which are expensive but fun.
So I think we’re on the same page. That BBC output is ‘better’ than Netflix is purely subjective. But I won’t argue with that at all.
Happy viewing!!!
Nothing wrong with disagreeing. In fact, necessary to check our thinking. However, any discussion of the merits of the BBC always confirms me in my thinking and my decision years ago never to give them a penny.
I’m a big fan! We are lucky to have them.
The bravest Englishman today is Tommy R.
Nice one, LSO!
From someone who does not pay the licence fee and hasn't watched or listened to any BBC since around 2018. If I ruled the world, I would need more than a sniper rifle to deal with the hateful people that inhabit Broadcasting House and Downing Street. More like a few thousand drones of the sort the Iranians have perfected. I doubt that our army has any.
In case you were right to doubt that our defence forces have drones, I checked another option with Grok, but sadly: “No, even if safety and legal limitations were entirely disregarded, an Aster 30 fired from a Type 45 destroyer in Portsmouth Harbour would still be highly unlikely to successfully hit New Broadcasting House.”